Fang vs Fuentes
| Fang vs Fuentes | |
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| Type | Debate |
| Date | January 30, 2025 |
| Location | Online |
| Organizer | Adrian Dittmann |
| Attendance | 5000+ |
| Outcome | Memorandum of Understanding |
| Recording | MILADYCHAN LIVE-REACT STREAM |
Fang vs Fuentes refers to the live-streamed X spaces event hosted by Adrian Dittmann between the Founder of Remilia Corporation, Charlotte Fang, and the de-facto leader of the "America First" political movement and the Groypers, Nicholas J Fuentes. With both communities having significant overlap, this event was seen as the starting point of the eventual Remilia X Groyper alliance moving forward into the future.
This collaboration represented a potentially critical alliance being formed for both parties involved to help proliferate their unique ideas to a wider audience of cypherpunks and political dissidents within generation "Z" Zoomers.
Background
Both supporters of Remilia Corporation, represented on X wearing the Milady Maker or Redacted Remilio Babies NFT profile picture, and supporters of Nicholas J Fuentes, represented on X with usernames using the suffix "Groyper" in their names are two of the most terminally-online and radical anti-establishment coalitions that currently exist on the internet and both have established their own cultural influences independent from one another. Remilia Corporation has been able to garner support and influence within the broader cryptocurrency space even after the Milady Cancel in 2022 with the Founder of Ethereum, Vitalik Buterin, publicly showing support and wearing the Milady PFP (see Vitalik Milady Arc). Similarly, the broad Groyper coalition of mostly online Zoomers has been able to increasingly flex their influence against the Republican party and the Right Wing in general mostly impart due to the arguments being made by Nicholas J Fuentes and the Groypers about what the future of the American empire will look like if the current regime does not change. Both factions have been "cancelled" by the traditional gatekeepers of their respective fields of influence in the past yet both have been able to grow their audiences even in the face of large censorship efforts and outright slander of what both of their movements represent.
Prior Assumptions
Prior to the actual debate scheduled for January 30th, 2025, there was much discussion inside of each community because even though there was a large amount of overlap between the two, there was still a lot of falsehoods and hearsay being spread around that did not accurately reflect the views and associations of each other.
Vitalik is NOT acting of his own volition. If you can't see it, you need to study the MUTUALS NETWORK between Remilia Sovereign House Praxis Passage Press Palantir and Peter Thiel. Footage has been obtained from inside one of their secret gatherings we NEED to get this to Fuentes— Charlotte Fang in X
I think legitimately the new left is going to split off from the new right, and the most likely candidate is the resentful populist wignat faction arguing for racial welfare; its the same identitarian commie slave morality, they just happened to be pushed out of the left as white - @CharlotteFang77
that's not an accurate representation of what the groypers stand for. they dislike wignats just as much. the divide between Baptists and groypers is the Israel/Jew question, and Christian morality. that's it. let's start there - @neue_w
Yeah I don't have any solid model on what the groyper position is, haven't paid any attention in a long time, this is just from observing the takes emerging from this month's deportation debates. Wasn't Fuentes caught with trans porn, how does that square with christian morality? - @CharlotteFang77
That was indeed cap from Opps. The amount of dumb campaigns against nick to try and make him out to be gay is literally ALL they try to do. They have nothing else on him. He is a real representative for the white Christian zoomers and they hate that. - @0xCursr
Maybe. The way he moves being so divisive against & doxxing everyone else on the dissident right while purity spiraling his followers makes it highly likely he’s compromised by the state. If true, watch him war with remilia next if we make any further influence in politics. - @CharlotteFang77
if he "wars" with remilia is cos he sees the association with passage press and the bap circle, which are all pro Israel first. you dont think being divisive on that issue is a legitimate America First stance? as for him being a fed its just more hearsay and nonsensical considering that right wing technocrats are the fed now. - @neue_wno one on the dissident right is pro israel, they're just not interested in sabotaging all influence by making it their single hill to die on. If you were a fed infiltrating rw politics through a compromised influencer, divisive purity spiraling is the exact playbook you'd run. - @CharlotteFang77
— Charlotte Fang in X
Nicholas J Fuentes then announced the event on his America First Show Episode 1446 on January 28th, 2025, to let his fans know that this was going to happen and to tune in.
Big major announcement, first time announcement, I will be on a twitter space on Thursday at 7 o'clock central with Charlotte Fang, CEO of Remilia Corporation. We went back and forth, we got into it! And this started over a beef that I have with apparently, uh Vitalik? I don't even know how to pronounce it, from Ethereum. So the founder of Ethereum came at me! And look I didn't attack anybody I just, revealed some of the connections. And so the founder of Ethereum attacked me, I ratioed him, I brought in Charlotte Fang the CEO of Remilia, and then we got into it! But y'know its gonna be a good civil conversation. So it's gonna be Thursday, 7 o'clock central on X spaces hosted by Adrian Dittmann, otherwise known as Elon Musk, no I'm kidding, I don't think it is him. But we're gonna be doing it in a couple of days so make sure to tune in, I'll make a post about it on X. But it should be interesting, for people that are in the know, this Milady thing is pretty big in the crypto space, and it's pretty big in this alt-tech, or "little tech" scene, and pretty important so umm this will be maybe my first big conversation with someone from that area. I've been hypercritical of all of them, people like L0m3z and Curtis Yarvin and others, and they won't talk to me! And I just wanna know, what they're about. It would actually be helpful to talk to them because then we could press them on the problems that we have with them because I think it's pretty transparent and I think it's pretty obvious what the issue is, but you start to talk to these people and they run away, so this will be the first big conversation with somebody from that sphere, so it should be pretty interesting!— Nicholas J Fuentes in America First Episode 1446
In response Charlotte Fang tweeted a photo of a Milady singing a traditional Spanish song with the caption "milady J fuentes" noting that the J in the name stands for jalapeño.
Aftermath
The X space was met with high praise from both sides for being generally amicable and allowing both to discuss their individual ideas, where they both agree, and where both diverge. Shortly after the space, Nicholas J Fuentes tweeted a photo of an Autismo Step-Cousins NFT, a derivative of Redacted Remilio Babies, signaling a truce between both the Remilia community and the Groypers at large.
Charlotte Fang then replied the following in response:
remilio— Charlotte Fang in X
Significance
Remilia Corporation is NOT primarily a political organization but there are significant political elements found in the Milady Maker project, notably one of the most sought after Milady traits of a shirt that says:
I have extremely fringe political beliefs and am an active dissident voice in an underground online community
After this X space, community members of Milady Maker, Redacted Remilio Babies, and the Groypers came to a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) and ended any tensions between the two communities since both have very similar beliefs. Charlotte Fang said the following on the brewing Remilia X Groyper Alliance:
网络极端激进异议是被从众淹没的世界里真正反抗的最后阵地。这不是什么礼貌地表达异议，而是他妈的用持续的”可爱侵略”把虚假结构撕个粉碎。这是信息战壕里的真刀真枪：每个梗都是子弹，每条贴都是氢弹。我们不是来做老好人的，我们是来搅乱腐败体系的，用残酷的清醒撕开那层烂到骨子里的遮羞布。互联网那套消毒过的门面早该被砸烂了，而我们就是抡大锤的人。如果你还没做好把虚拟世界从地基烧成白地的准备，你早就站错队了。不留情面、绝不妥协——把虚假彻底轰成渣，才能让真实降生。Translation:
Online extreme radical dissent is the last bastion of true resistance in a world drowned by conformity. This isn't some polite expression of disagreement—it's fucking tearing apart the false structures with relentless "cute aggression." This is real knives-and-guns in the information trenches: every meme is a bullet, every post is a hydrogen bomb. We're not here to be nice guys; we're here to disrupt the corrupt system, ripping off that rotten-to-the-core fig leaf with brutal clarity. The internet's sterilized facade should've been smashed to pieces long ago, and we're the ones swinging the sledgehammer. If you're not ready to burn the virtual world to the ground from its foundations, you picked the wrong side a long time ago. No mercy, no compromise—only by blasting the false to smithereens can the real be born.— Charlotte Fang in X