Fang vs Fuentes
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| Type | Debate |
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| Date | January 30, 2025 |
| Location | X Spaces (online) |
| Organizer | Adrian Dittmann |
| Recording | YouTube upload; Miladychan live-react stream |
Fang vs Fuentes was a live debate on X Spaces on January 30, 2025, between Charlotte Fang, founder of Remilia Corporation, and Nicholas J. Fuentes, leader of the "America First" movement and the Groypers. It was hosted by the X account Adrian Dittmann and lasted about two hours, covering figures such as Peter Thiel, Curtis Yarvin and Bronze Age Pervert.[1] The debate was presented by participants in both communities as a step toward cooperation between Remilia and the Groypers, whose followings overlap among young, online audiences.
Background
Supporters of Remilia Corporation, who often use Milady Maker or Redacted Remilio Babies NFTs as their X profile pictures, and supporters of Fuentes, many of whom add "Groyper" to their usernames, are two overlapping online communities. Both have faced cancellations and platform bans; Remilia went through the Milady Cancel in 2022. In January 2025, Ethereum founder Vitalik Buterin adopted a Milady as his profile picture, an episode known as the Vitalik Milady Arc, bringing the Milady community wider attention.[2]
Lead-up
On January 24, Fang posted the following, quote-posting an earlier post of Fang's that "Everything you can think of is true":[3]
Vitalik is NOT acting of his own volition. If you can't see it, you need to study the MUTUALS NETWORK between Remilia Sovereign House Praxis Passage Press Palantir and Peter Thiel. Footage has been obtained from inside one of their secret gatherings we NEED to get this to Fuentes— Charlotte Fang in X, January 24, 2025
On January 25, Fang predicted that a "resentful populist wignat faction" would split from the new right, beginning a thread with Groyper-aligned accounts over the following two days:[4]
@CharlotteFang77: I think legitimately the new left is going to split off from the new right, and the most likely candidate is the resentful populist wignat faction arguing for racial welfare; its the same identitarian commie slave morality, they just happened to be pushed out of the left as white@neue_w: that's not an accurate representation of what the groypers stand for. they dislike wignats just as much. the divide between Baptists and groypers is the Israel/Jew question, and Christian morality. that's it. let's start there
@CharlotteFang77: Yeah I don't have any solid model on what the groyper position is, haven't paid any attention in a long time, this is just from observing the takes emerging from this month's deportation debates. Wasn't Fuentes caught with trans porn, how does that square with christian morality?
@0xCursr: That was indeed cap from Oops. The amount of dumb campaigns against nick to try and make him out to be gay is literally ALL they try to do. They have nothing else on him. He is a real representative for the white Christian zoomers and they hate that.
@CharlotteFang77: Maybe. The way he moves being so divisive against & doxxing everyone else on the dissident right while purity spiraling his followers makes it highly likely he's compromised by the state. If true, watch him war with remilia next if we make any further influence in politics.
@neue_w: if he "wars" with remilia is cos he sees the association with passage press and the bap circle, which are all pro Israel first. you dont think being divisive on that issue is a legitimate America First stance? as for him being a fed its just more hearsay and nonsensical considering that right wing technocrats are the fed now.
@CharlotteFang77: no one on the dissident right is pro israel, they're just not interested in sabotaging all influence by making it their single hill to die on. If you were a fed infiltrating rw politics through a compromised influencer, divisive purity spiraling is the exact playbook you'd run.
Fuentes announced the debate on episode 1446 of his show America First on January 28, 2025:
Big major announcement, first time announcement, I will be on a twitter space on Thursday at 7 o'clock central with Charlotte Fang, CEO of Remilia Corporation. We went back and forth, we got into it! And this started over a beef that I have with apparently, uh Vitalik? I don't even know how to pronounce it, from Ethereum. So the founder of Ethereum came at me! And look I didn't attack anybody I just, revealed some of the connections. And so the founder of Ethereum attacked me, I ratioed him, I brought in Charlotte Fang the CEO of Remilia, and then we got into it! But y'know its gonna be a good civil conversation. So it's gonna be Thursday, 7 o'clock central on X spaces hosted by Adrian Dittmann, otherwise known as Elon Musk, no I'm kidding, I don't think it is him. But we're gonna be doing it in a couple of days so make sure to tune in, I'll make a post about it on X. But it should be interesting, for people that are in the know, this Milady thing is pretty big in the crypto space, and it's pretty big in this alt-tech, or "little tech" scene, and pretty important so umm this will be maybe my first big conversation with someone from that area. I've been hypercritical of all of them, people like L0m3z and Curtis Yarvin and others, and they won't talk to me! And I just wanna know, what they're about. It would actually be helpful to talk to them because then we could press them on the problems that we have with them because I think it's pretty transparent and I think it's pretty obvious what the issue is, but you start to talk to these people and they run away, so this will be the first big conversation with somebody from that sphere, so it should be pretty interesting!— Nicholas J. Fuentes in 'America First, episode 1446, January 28, 2025
The next day, Fang posted "milady J fuentes", quote-posting a user who had quoted the announcement.[10]
The debate
The Space began at 7 p.m. Central on Thursday, January 30, 2025, and ran for about two hours. Topics included Peter Thiel, Curtis Yarvin and Bronze Age Pervert, figures Fuentes had criticized.[1] Scorched Earth Policy ran a live-react stream of the debate on Miladychan, which drew more than 5,500 viewers.[11]
Aftermath
Shortly after the Space, Fuentes posted an image in the style of Redacted Remilio Babies showing a figure in an "AUTISMO FIRST" cap holding an "AF" mug, apparently from the Autismo Step-Cousins derivative collection. The post was read by many as a truce between the Remilia community and the Groypers. Fang replied with one word: "remilio".[12][13]
Significance
Remilia Corporation is not primarily a political organization, but political elements run through the Milady Maker project. One Milady trait, the Active Dissident shirt, reads:
I have extremely fringe political beliefs and am an active dissident voice in an underground online community
In October 2025, the Groyper-aligned account 0xCursr wrote that "the groyper X remilia alliance is something that will become an unstoppable force". Fang quote-posted it with a statement in Chinese on online dissent:[14]
网络极端激进异议是被从众淹没的世界里真正反抗的最后阵地。这不是什么礼貌地表达异议，而是他妈的用持续的"可爱侵略"把虚假结构撕个粉碎。这是信息战壕里的真刀真枪：每个梗都是子弹，每条贴都是氢弹。我们不是来做老好人的，我们是来搅乱腐败体系的，用残酷的清醒撕开那层烂到骨子里的遮羞布。互联网那套消毒过的门面早该被砸烂了，而我们就是抡大锤的人。如果你还没做好把虚拟世界从地基烧成白地的准备，你早就站错队了。不留情面、绝不妥协——把虚假彻底轰成渣，才能让真实降生。Translation:
Online extreme radical dissent is the last bastion of true resistance in a world drowned by conformity. This isn't some polite expression of disagreement—it's fucking tearing apart the false structures with relentless "cute aggression." This is real knives-and-guns in the information trenches: every meme is a bullet, every post is a hydrogen bomb. We're not here to be nice guys; we're here to disrupt the corrupt system, ripping off that rotten-to-the-core fig leaf with brutal clarity. The internet's sterilized facade should've been smashed to pieces long ago, and we're the ones swinging the sledgehammer. If you're not ready to burn the virtual world to the ground from its foundations, you picked the wrong side a long time ago. No mercy, no compromise—only by blasting the false to smithereens can the real be born.— Charlotte Fang in X, October 30, 2025
See also
References
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 January 30, 2025. "Nick Fuentes v Milady Maker (Founder Charlotte Fang) on Thiel, Curtis Yarvin, BAP - Twitter X Space". YouTube. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ January 2025. "'Wartime' Vitalik, DeFi Moves, and Milady Vibes—What's Up With the Ethereum Foundation?". Decrypt. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ @CharlotteFang77 (January 24, 2025). "Vitalik is NOT acting of his own volition. If you can't see it, you need to study the MUTUALS NETWORK between Remilia Sovereign House Praxis Passage Press Palantir and Peter Thiel.". X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 @CharlotteFang77 (January 25, 2025). "I think legitimately the new left is going to split off from the new right, and the most likely candidate is the resentful populist wignat faction arguing for racial welfare". X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ @CharlotteFang77 (January 26, 2025). "Yeah I don't have any solid model on what the groyper position is". X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ @0xCursr (January 26, 2025). "That was indeed cap from Oops.". X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ @CharlotteFang77 (January 26, 2025). "Maybe. The way he moves being so divisive against & doxxing everyone else on the dissident right". X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ @neue_w (January 27, 2025). "if he "wars" with remilia is cos he sees the association with passage press and the bap circle". X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ @CharlotteFang77 (January 27, 2025). "no one on the dissident right is pro israel". X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ @CharlotteFang77 (January 29, 2025). "milady J fuentes". X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ Scorched Earth Policy (January 30, 2025). "Charlotte Fang vs Nick Fuentes Miladychan Live-React Stream". X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ @NickJFuentes (January 30, 2025). "[image"]. X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ @CharlotteFang77 (January 30, 2025). "@NickJFuentes remilio". X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.
- ↑ @CharlotteFang77 (October 30, 2025). "网络极端激进异议是被从众淹没的世界里真正反抗的最后阵地。". X. Retrieved November 11, 2026.